every agency -- within the pentagon, every program, every area within the pentagon takes exactly the same cut. therefore, the furloughs for 800,000 people are unavoidable. it is not like they are picking on a painful area getting rid of people instead of weapons systems, for example, this is unavoidable, it is the way the sequestration rule was written. they can't do anything about it, colonel. >> that's simply not true. first of all, they can work with congress instead of trying to blackmail them. but the -- an earlier guest was speaking about -- i like to use the word hostages, i think the guest used human shields. basically the services and secretary panetta are trying to make these cuts and there is flexibility with how you cut within the categories. they are trying to make them as painful as possible, in congressional districts. classic example, shipbuilding, a huge yard, employs 21,000 people. the announced cuts would immediately cost almost a thousand jobs. the threatened cuts could almost virtually put them out of business. why does that matter? because it would be vitally im